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REMARKS
Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton
At the United States Institute of Peace
October 21, 2009
Renaissance Mayflower Hotel
Washington, D.C.
SECRETARY CLINTON: Good morning. Thank you. Thank you very
much. It’s a great honor to be introduced by Ambassador
Moose. George and I have had the privilege of working together
in the past, and I look forward to his good advice and counsel
as we move forward on many of these important matters. I
want to thank Ambassador Solomon. Dick has done an extraordinary
job, as you all know, both in his prior incarnation with
the State Department and now, of course, with the United
States Institute of Peace. And Tara, thank you for your
leadership and your commitment to these issues.
This is an audience that has many familiar faces in it,
people who have been on the frontlines of American foreign
policy on conflict resolution and so many specific issues.
And I want to particularly just thank two people who have
really stepped up to assume new responsibilities on behalf
of the Obama Administration, someone who was on the board
of USIP, now Under Secretary Maria Otero, and also Under
Secretary Ellen Tauscher who — both of whom I’m
delighted are part of the team at the State Department.
(Applause.) And sitting right there in the front row is
one of my role models, Betty Bumpers, who started beating
the drums for world peace and for an end to much of the
behavior that is so troublesome and threatening between
nations. And I am so pleased to see her.
It’s an honor to have been asked to give this second
annual Dean Acheson lecture. The Institute has many friends
at the State Department and we’re looking forward
to the day when we’re not only friends, but neighbors.
I know that your new building across the street will allow
for even closer cooperation as we work together to build
peace and end conflict. I also know that Monday marked your
25th anniversary, and I thank you for the extraordinary
work and leadership you’ve provided over the last
two and a half decades, including the work you’ve
done to review our nuclear posture.
The Institute has helped drive the foreign policy debate
on nuclear weapons, on conflict prevention and many other
critical issues, and you are continuing that essential role.
Now, some of you may recall that Secretary Gates’
remarks on this occasion last year when he argued eloquently
— and I might add, very convincingly — for providing
additional resources to the State Department was a signal
event. To have the Secretary of Defense come before a distinguished
audience like this and to argue very forcefully on behalf
of our civilian capacity is still reverberating throughout
Washington.
In advocating a budget increase for a department other
than his own, Secretary Gates said he was returning a favor,
because as Secretary of State, Dean Acheson had argued that
the United States needed a strong military when cutbacks
threatened to gut U.S. forces after the Second World War.
Acheson was involved in another vital foreign policy issue
where his position transcended bureaucratic allegiances,
and his actions provide a useful historical backdrop for
my subject today.
At the close of World War II, Acheson was serving as Under
Secretary of State. Secretary of State — or Secretary
of War Henry Stimson was the country’s leading advocate
for nuclear arms control. But Stimson had a tough opponent
in then-Secretary of State James F. Byrnes, who wanted to
leverage the United States’s nuclear advantage to
the maximum extent possible. Acheson looked beyond the confines
of his bureaucracy and joined with the Secretary of War
in favor of arms control. He recognized that the world was
at a crossroads. And he saw that the United States had an
obligation and an interest in working with other nations
to curb the spread of the most dangerous weapons in history.
Well, today, we find ourselves at yet another crossroads.
During the Cold War, we feared an all-out nuclear exchange
between the United States and the Soviet Union. And in October
1962, the world came close. But President Kennedy realized
that a nuclear war was profoundly unwinnable. And over time,
he and successive administrations took steps to mitigate
that risk and curtail the spread of nuclear weapons.
We now face a different kind of threat, a threat that is
more diffuse and perhaps even more dangerous. The range
and intensity of current nuclear proliferation challenges
is alarming. The international community failed to prevent
North Korea from developing nuclear weapons. We are now
engaged in diplomatic efforts to roll back this development.
Iran continues to ignore resolutions from the United Nations
Security Council demanding that it suspend its enrichment
activities and live up to those international obligations.
The International Atomic Energy Agency doesn’t have
the tools or authority to carry out its mission effectively.
We saw this in the institution’s failure to detect
Iran’s covert enrichment plant and Syria’s reactor
project. Illicit state and non-state proliferation networks
are engaging in sensitive nuclear trade and circumventing
laws designed to protect us against the export and import
of nuclear materials.
Working through Senator Lugar’s Cooperative Threat
Reduction Program, we have deactivated or destroyed thousands
of nuclear weapons. But vast stocks of potentially dangerous
nuclear materials remain vulnerable to theft or diversion.
With growing global energy needs and the threat of climate
change, the demand for nuclear power is expanding, and we
do need to continue to facilitate the legitimate peaceful
use of nuclear energy. Yet, this expansion has not been
accompanied by corresponding measures that could reduce
the risks of nuclear weapons proliferation.
We also know that unless these trends are reversed, and
reversed soon, we will find ourselves in a world with a
steadily growing number of nuclear-armed states, and increasing
likelihood of terrorists getting their hands on nuclear
weapons.
President Obama recognizes this danger. In April, in Prague,
he presented the United States’ vision for how to
meet these challenges. He reinforced the core bargain of
the global nonproliferation regime, calling on all states
to live up to their responsibilities and put down a marker
for every nation when he called for a world free of nuclear
weapons. And last month, when President Obama became the
first United States President to chair a session of the
United Nations Security Council, he presided over the unanimous
passage of a resolution that set forth a robust nonproliferation
and arms control agenda.
Pursuing these goals is not an act of starry-eyed idealism
or blind allegiance to principle. It is about taking responsibility
to prevent the use of the world’s most dangerous weapons,
and holding others accountable as well. The policies that
take us there must be up to the task: tough, smart, and
driven by the core interests of the United States. As the
President has acknowledged, we might not achieve the ambition
of a world without nuclear weapons in our lifetime or successive
lifetimes. But we believe that pursuing this vision will
enhance our national security and international stability.
We also believe that the United States must maintain a
safe, secure, and effective nuclear arsenal to deter any
adversary and guarantee the defense of our allies and partners
while we pursue our vision.
All countries have an obligation to help address the challenges
posed by nuclear weapons, beginning with the nuclear weapons
states. As the permanent members of the Security Council
and the only nuclear weapon states recognized by the NPT,
we all have a responsibility to stop the erosion of the
nonproliferation regime and to address the current crisis
of compliance in which some countries apparently feel they
can violate their obligations and defy the Security Council
with impunity.
The non-nuclear weapon states also have a responsibility
to work to prevent further proliferation. That responsibility
does not end with their decision to forgo their own weapons
ambitions and accept safeguards to demonstrate the sincerity
of that decision. It must continue with active participation
in resolute efforts to impede additional countries from
crossing the nuclear threshold, because their own security
and well-being are profoundly affected by the outcome of
such efforts.
All states with nuclear materials or technology have a
responsibility to protect them against theft or illicit
transfer. Now if all countries step up to these responsibilities,
as we are doing, we can revitalize the nonproliferation
regime for decades to come. The cornerstone of that regime,
the NPT, remains sound and need not be altered. But as we
have done for 40 years, we must build on that essential
foundation by supplementing the treaty and updating the
overall regime with measures designed to confront emerging
challenges.
The Administration’s blueprint for our efforts is
based on the hard, day-to-day work of active diplomacy —
confronting proliferators, strengthening the capabilities
of the IAEA and ensuring that all nations abide by the rights
and obligations of the nonproliferation regime, negotiating
a new treaty with Russia to reduce our nuclear arsenal,
seeking ratification of the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty
and prompt negotiation of a Fissile Material Cutoff Treaty,
undertaking a review of the role of nuclear weapons in the
United States’s defense strategy, and supporting budgetary
priorities that guarantee the safety and effectiveness of
our deterrent.
Now, I am well aware of the difficult road ahead to uphold
the NPT, restore the international nonproliferation consensus,
and reinvigorate the global nonproliferation regime. Progress
will not be easy. At times, our achievements may [seem]
incomplete and unsatisfying, but we are committed to seeing
this through, and we believe the world is depending on our
success. The reality is that the nuclear threat cannot be
checked by us acting alone. Whether we seek to prevent the
smuggling of dangerous nuclear materials, establish a new
international framework for civil nuclear energy cooperation,
increase the IAEA’s budget, or persuade governments
with nuclear weapons ambitions to abandon their quest, we
can only achieve our goals through cooperation with others.
In recent years, however, polarization within the international
community on proliferation issues between states with nuclear
weapons and those without have created obstacles to the
cooperation that is needed.
Overcoming these obstacles must start from the premise
that the nuclear threat is a danger that all nations face
together, and that preventing the spread of nuclear weapons
is not just in the interests of the existing nuclear weapon
states, as it is sometimes asserted. Indeed, the non-nuclear
weapon states have as much or more to lose if these weapons
spread or are ever used again. The same logic applies to
our work to combat the threat of nuclear terrorism. A nuclear
terrorist bomb detonated anywhere in the world would have
vast economic, political, ecological and social consequences
everywhere in the world.
It’s easy to advocate a go-it-alone approach that
ignores the cooperation needed to address universal challenges.
But we have seen the failed results of this approach. The
more difficult, but more productive path is to engage our
allies and partners around the world in that hard work of
diplomacy. Because as President Obama has said, we must
pursue a path that is grounded in the rights and responsibilities
of all nations. We must continue to strengthen each of the
three mutually reinforcing pillars of global nonproliferation
— preventing the spread of nuclear weapons, promoting
disarmament, and facilitating the peaceful use of nuclear
energy. And to those three pillars, we should add a fourth:
preventing nuclear terrorism. Stopping terrorists from acquiring
the ultimate weapon was not a central preoccupation when
the NPT was negotiated, but today, it is, and it must remain
at the top of our national security priorities.
As we advance this agenda, we can reduce the size and scope
of the proliferation threat to our nation, our children,
and future generations. The U.S.-led diplomatic campaign
began with countering immediate proliferation threats, and
will seek over time to improve verification, stiffen penalties,
disrupt illicit proliferation networks, reduce the threat
of nuclear terrorism, and allow nations to enjoy the peaceful
benefits of nuclear power, while deploying safeguards against
proliferation.
Thwarting the nuclear ambitions of North Korea and Iran
is critical to shoring up the nonproliferation regime. Within
the framework of the six-party talks, we are prepared to
meet bilaterally with North Korea, but North Korea’s
return to the negotiating table is not enough. Current sanctions
will not be relaxed until Pyongyang takes verifiable, irreversible
steps toward complete denuclearization. Its leaders should
be under no illusion that the United States will ever have
normal, sanctions-free relations with a nuclear armed North
Korea.
Together with the other permanent members of the UN Security
Council and Germany, the United States is pursuing a dual-track
approach toward Iran. If Iran is serious about taking practical
steps to address the international community’s deep
concerns about its nuclear program, we will continue to
engage both multilaterally and bilaterally to discuss the
full range of issues that have divided Iran and the United
States for too long. The door is open to a better future
for Iran, but the process of engagement cannot be open-ended.
We are not prepared to talk just for the sake of talking.
As President Obama noted after the October 1st meeting
in Geneva, we appear to have made a constructive beginning,
but that needs to be followed up by constructive actions.
In particular, prompt action is needed on implementing the
plan to use Iran’s own low-enriched uranium to refuel
the Tehran research reactor, which is used to produce medical
isotopes.
Enhancing the IAEA’s capabilities to verify whether
states are engaging in illicit nuclear activity is essential
to strengthening the nonproliferation regime. The IAEA’s
additional protocol, which allows for more aggressive, short-notice
inspections should be made universal, through concerted
efforts to persuade key holdout states to join.
Our experience with Iraq’s nuclear program before
the 1991 Gulf War showed that the IAEA’s rights and
resources needed upgrading. The additional protocol is the
embodiment of those lessons. A failure to make this protocol
the global standard means the world will have failed to
heed the lessons of history at our collective peril. The
IAEA should make full use of existing verification authorities,
including special inspections. But it should also be given
new authorities, including the ability to investigate suspected
nuclear weapons-related activities even when no nuclear
materials are present. And if we expect the IAEA to be a
bulwark of the nonproliferation regime, we must give it
the resources necessary to do the job.
Improving the IAEA’s ability to detect safeguard
violations is not enough. Potential violators must know
that if they are caught, they will pay a high price. That
is certainly not the case today. Despite American efforts,
the international community’s record of enforcing
compliance in recent years is unacceptable. Compliance mechanisms
and procedures must be improved. We should consider adopting
automatic penalties for violation of safeguards agreements;
for example, suspending all international nuclear cooperation,
or IAEA technical cooperation projects until compliance
has been restored.
And because the role of the Security Council is so important
on compliance issues, we are working to rebuild the consensus
among the five permanent members on NPT enforcement.
We must also use financial and legal tools to better disrupt
illicit proliferation networks. This will mean tightening
controls on transshipment, a key source of illicit trade,
and strengthening Nuclear Suppliers Group restrictions on
transfers of enrichment and reprocessing technology. A reinvigorated
nonproliferation regime should enable countries, especially
developing countries, to enjoy the peaceful benefits of
nuclear energy, while providing incentives for them not
to build their own enrichment or reprocessing facilities.
These facilities are inherently capable of producing both
fuel for nuclear reactors and the fissile cores of nuclear
weapons and should not be allowed to proliferate.
But we need to ensure that states have access to nuclear
fuel, a right guaranteed under the NPT. The best way to
accomplish this goal is by expanding fuel cycle options.
Multilateral fuel supply assurances, international fuel
banks, and spent fuel repositories can enhance the confidence
of states embarking on or expanding their nuclear power
programs. These initiatives will encourage countries to
pursue legitimate civil nuclear plans without assuming the
risk and expense of constructing their own fuel cycle facilities.
So we will support international fuel banks and effective
fuel service arrangements as key components of our nonproliferation
policy.
Now, we cannot divorce nonproliferation efforts from the
challenge of reducing existing nuclear arsenals, both are
part of the core bargain of the NPT. All countries face
a common danger from nuclear weapons, but the nuclear arms
states, and especially the United States and Russia, have
an obligation to reduce their weapons stockpiles. And the
Obama Administration is actively pursuing these steps. We
are negotiating an agreement with the Russians that will
succeed the soon-to-expire START treaty, and significantly
reduce the nuclear forces of both sides. It will also set
the stage for even deeper cuts in the future.
Let me be clear: the United States is interested in a new
START agreement because it will bolster our national security.
We and Russia deploy far more nuclear weapons than we need
or could ever potentially use without destroying our ways
of life. We can reduce our stockpiles of nuclear weapons
without posing any risk to our homeland, our deployed troops
or our allies.
Clinging to nuclear weapons in excess of our security needs
does not make the United States safer. And the nuclear status
quo is neither desirable nor sustainable. It gives other
countries the motivation or the excuse to pursue their own
nuclear options.
The right way to reduce our excess nuclear forces is in
parallel with Russia. Verifiable mutual reductions through
a new START treaty will help us build trust and avoid surprises.
We are working hard to ensure that the new agreement will
continue to allow for inspections and other mechanisms that
allow us to build confidence. We are under no illusions
that the START agreement will persuade Iran and North Korea
to end their illicit nuclear activities. But it will demonstrate
that the United States is living up to its Nuclear Nonproliferation
Treaty obligation to work toward nuclear disarmament. In
doing so, it will help convince the rest of the international
community to strengthen nonproliferation controls and tighten
the screws on states that flout that their nonproliferation
commitments.
For the same reason, the United States seeks to begin negotiations
as soon as possible on a Fissile Material Cutoff Treaty
with appropriate monitoring and verification provisions.
A universal FMCT will halt the production of plutonium and
highly enriched uranium for weapons purposes, capping the
size of existing arsenals, and reducing the risk that terrorist
groups will one day gain access to stockpiles of fissile
materials.
But we must do more than reduce the numbers of our nuclear
weapons. We must also reduce the role they play in our security.
In this regard, the ongoing Nuclear Posture Review will
be a key milestone. It will more accurately calibrate the
role, size, and composition of our nuclear stockpile to
the current and future international threat environments.
And it will provide a fundamental reassessment of U.S. nuclear
force posture, levels, and doctrine. Carried out in consultation
with our allies, it will examine the role of nuclear weapons
in deterring today’s threats and review our declaratory
policies with respect to the circumstances in which the
United States would consider using nuclear weapons.
As part of the NPR, the Nuclear Posture Review, we are
grappling with key questions: What is the fundamental purpose
of the U.S. nuclear weapons arsenal? Will our deterrence
posture help the United States encourage others to reduce
their arsenals and advance our nonproliferation agenda?
How can we provide reassurance to our allies in a manner
that reinforces our nonproliferation objectives?
We believe now is the time for a look — a fresh look
at the views on the role of the United States nuclear weapons
arsenal. We can’t afford to continue relying on recycled
Cold War thinking. We are sincere in our pursuit of a secure
peaceful world without nuclear weapons. But until we reach
that point of the horizon where the last nuclear weapon
has been eliminated, we need to reinforce the domestic consensus
that America will maintain the nuclear infrastructure needed
to sustain a safe and effective deterrent without nuclear
testing.
So in addition to supporting a robust nuclear complex budget
in 2011, we will also support a new Stockpile Management
Program that would focus on sustaining capabilities. This
is what the military leaders, charged with responsibility
for our strategic deterrent, need in order to defend our
country. General Chilton, Commander of U.S. STRATCOM, has
said repeatedly that he doesn’t need new nuclear weapons
capabilities — but he must be confident in the capabilities
that we have.
As we establish that confidence through Stockpile Management,
we are making preparations for securing Senate approval
for the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty and working globally
to convince other hold-out states to bring that treaty into
force. Bringing the treaty into force will strengthen and
reenergize the global nonproliferation regime and, in doing
so, enhance our own security.
For almost two decades, and over four successive administrations,
the United States has observed a moratorium on nuclear testing.
So we are already honoring the fundamental obligation of
the treaty. A test ban treaty that has entered into force
will allow the United States and others to challenge states
engaged in suspicious testing activities — including
the option of calling on-site inspections to be sure that
no testing occurs anywhere. CTBT ratification would also
encourage the international community to move forward with
other essential nonproliferation steps. And make no mistake,
other states — rightly or wrongly — view American
ratification of the CTBT as a sign of our commitment to
the nonproliferation consensus.
In coming months, several important events can accelerate
progress on our nonproliferation and arms control agenda.
In April, President Obama will host a global summit on nuclear
security, an unprecedented gathering that will help promote
a common understanding of the threat of nuclear terrorism
and build international support for effective means of countering
that threat. The following month, the NPT Review Conference,
held every five years, will seek a consensus among NPT parties
on a program of work for strengthening the NPT regime. We
hope that these meetings will provide a launching pad for
our global efforts to address this challenge.
The nuclear threats facing the international community
today cannot be overstated. They pose a grave challenge.
And as with other global threats, most notably climate change,
we are all in the same boat. Unless we act decisively and
act now, the situation may deteriorate catastrophically
and irreversibly.
Some experts looking at current nuclear threats and the
pressures bearing down on the global nonproliferation regime
have come to pessimistic conclusions about our nuclear future.
They talk about nuclear cascades and terrorists getting
their hands on the bomb. According to them, future proliferation
is inevitable; stopping it is futile.
Further proliferation and nuclear terrorism are not foregone
conclusions. These dangers can be impeded and even prevented.
But countering these threats requires us to realize that
all states have a common interest in reinvigorating the
nonproliferation regime — and that all states bear
a responsibility in advancing that effort.
Dean Acheson recognized these truths in his day. They have
not dimmed with the passage of time. And the United States
will do all it can to carry on this work, and ensure that
our efforts succeed.
As we stand at this new crossroads our path forward is
clear. It is a path that leads from the streets of Prague,
through the milestones I’ve spoken of today, and eventually,
some day, to a world without nuclear weapons.
Just as Acheson did in his time, we must meet this challenge
by acting boldly, wisely, hopefully, and in concert with
other nations. And once again, if we do so, American leadership
will ensure our security and the peace of future generations.
Thank you all very much. (Applause.)
MODERATOR: Thank you so much, Secretary Clinton. I think
we will have time for a couple of questions. And I would
like to invite USIP fellows and scholars and experts who
barely get a chance to ask questions directly of the Secretary
of State to make their way to microphones. Please make the
questions short. And if you wouldn’t mind identifying
yourselves, that would be helpful. And we will start on
this side and then go to this side.
QUESTION: Secretary Clinton, I’m Abi Williams, Vice
President of the Center for Conflict Analysis and Prevention
at the Institute. Thank you for spending time with us this
morning.
You mentioned that President Obama is committed to a world
free of nuclear weapons. And clearly, this can’t be
achieved overnight nor with U.S. leadership alone. So I
was wondering what you saw as the major obstacles towards
reaching a new START agreement, and your assessment of the
commitment of Russia to this goal, which the President has
outlined.
SECRETARY CLINTON: Well, we are moving forward toward a
new START agreement with the Russians. Our negotiators in
Geneva are making progress. When I was in Moscow last week,
President Medvedev committed to seeing this through and
aiming, with us, toward the December 5th deadline when the
current agreement expires. In fact, President Medvedev said
that he thought we should lock our negotiators in a room
in Geneva and not let them out until they had reached a
new START agreement. We haven’t done that yet, but
I’m glad to have his full concurrence if that turns
out to be necessary.
So we feel that we are progressing. And we have several
issues that are still to be decided, but I think we can
move toward the deadline. And Under Secretary Tauscher and
I were just talking about this on the ride over from Foggy
Bottom, and we’re going to press just as hard as we
can with our Russian counterparts to get this done and then
present it to the Senate for ratification.
QUESTION: Thank you, Secretary Clinton. Alex Thier, the
Director for Afghanistan and Pakistan at the U.S. Institute
of Peace. Thanks for coming today and inspiring us.
I wanted to ask you a question about Pakistan. With the
combination of militancy — and we even saw an attack
on Pakistan’s pentagon last week — together
with the A.Q. Khan network, there are continuing proliferation
concerns coming out of Pakistan. The recent Kerry-Lugar
legislation requires verification that the proliferation
network established by A.Q. Khan, has been stopped. And
the way it’s worded suggests that there might be doubts,
at least within the Congress, that that has, in fact, been
stopped.
And so I was hoping you could talk to us about how you’re
planning to address this issue in Pakistan, both in terms
of the security due to militancy, but also the ongoing proliferation
threat from those directly engaged in their weapons programs.
SECRETARY CLINTON: Well, those two concerns are part of
each and every engagement that we have. We have been reassured
about the security of the nuclear weapons stockpiles and
facilities. But it is obviously a matter that we are watching
very closely for the very reasons that you mention: first,
the continuing threat of proliferation, which we watch and
try to monitor any signs of, and the Pakistani Government
and military know of our continuing questions about that;
and of course, the militant attack that we saw last week
and the continuing organized attacks on government targets,
including the military itself and the intelligence services
by Taliban, al-Qaida, and related extremists.
We don’t think that those attacks pose a threat to
the nuclear command and control or access. But we have certainly
made our views known and asked a lot of questions and are
supporting the Pakistani Government in their courageous
efforts against these extremists, which, to us, is one of
the most important steps they can take to make sure that
these questions that you raise are going to be answered
satisfactorily.
QUESTION: Bruce MacDonald with the Strategic Posture Review
Commission at the Institute of Peace. Thank you, Madame
Secretary, for your leadership over the years on all these
issues. I wanted to ask you — you touched a little
bit on the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty. In its work, the
Strategic Posture Review Commission tackled a number of
very thorny issues, and surprisingly reached consensus on
virtually every one they tackled with one exception, and
that was on the question of the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty.
Could you share with us a little bit of your thinking about
— you touched some on the impact on the U.S. nonproliferation
objectives — if you might muse on that a little more?
And also maybe address the question of the impact if the
U.S. Senate chooses not to ratify the CTBT, the impact on
U.S. nonproliferation objections?
SECRETARY CLINTON: Well, we are well aware that we have
our work cut out for us. The CTBT was rejected 10 years
ago, and it has not been brought up since then. So we do
have a lot of outreach and very intensive consultations
to engage in with the Senate. I think that having been honored
to serve in the Senate, I think every senator has a right
to ask whatever questions and raise whatever concerns he
or she might have.
But the fact is we’ve essentially had a moratorium
on testing. It’s been bipartisan through these four
administrations over these last 20 years. And we recognize
the legitimate questions that some in the Senate have posed
about how we take steps to ensure the sustainability and
effectiveness of our nuclear stockpile without testing.
We believe we have technical answers to that, and that we
will be discussing those in greater depth.
But from our perspective, the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty
sets out a global standard that we would like to be part
of, and it gives us the tools that we could use to go to
other countries that have not signed up to the CTBT and
have the same in-depth discussion as to why we believe it’s
not necessary for any further testing — atmospheric,
underground, both.
So our view is that it’s the right thing to do, it
reflects already existing policy in our country, that there
are technical fixes to having to test that will guarantee
us the stewardship of the stockpile that we are putting
forth, and that it will give us the opportunity to make
our case with other nations.
MODERATOR: Time for two more. We’ll take them on
this side.
SECRETARY CLINTON: Okay.
QUESTION: (Inaudible), I’m a (inaudible) fellow here
at the Institute. My question is somehow related to what
Alex raised about Pakistan, because I’m from Pakistan.
I’m happy and I appreciate the Administration is talking
about the long-term relationship with Pakistan. But back
home, the overwhelming majority of the people believe that
the U.S. presence in the region is all about the Pakistan
nukes; that the Administration has made efforts, yet these
efforts are countering to — the propaganda. And the
widespread impression on the ground is that the Blackwaters
are there, the Marines are in the Embassy, and they’re
all just to take the Pakistani nukes.
I understand that the U.S. Ambassador in Pakistan and special
envoy, from time to time, they interact with the Pakistani
media. But by the time they interact with the media, the
conventional wisdom had solidified. So — and related
to this is the Kerry-Lugar bill issue. It seems to me that
there is lack of coordination between the State Department
and Congress when it comes to the Kerry-Lugar bill. You
may call it a historical step towards enhancing relationship
with Pakistan, but the bitter reality is that back home,
it is considered a big fiasco.
I just want your comments on two questions: How to increase
the speed of your counter-propaganda in Pakistan, and second
is to coordinate across the whole government to ensure continuity
and cohesion of approach? Thank you.
SECRETARY CLINTON: Okay. Well, I’m actually very
glad that you raised your questions and made your comment,
because I think we have, as a government, not done a very
good job in responding to what you rightly call propaganda,
misinformation, even in some instances disinformation, about
our motivations and our actions in Pakistan. That became
clear to me as we were doing our review, and I saw how often
there were stories in the Pakistani media that were totally
untrue, but we were not responding as effectively as we
need to.
We have, under Judith McHale, our Under Secretary for Public
Diplomacy, undertaken a very thorough analysis of what better
we could do, and we are moving very rapidly to try to fill
that void. We have a new team going in to Pakistan. A Public
Affairs officer may be already there. We have adopted a
new approach, which is we do not leave any misstatement
or inaccuracy unanswered. It may be that people won’t
believe it at first, but we intend to counter a lot of this
propaganda with the best weapon we have; namely, the truth.
And we’re going to be much more aggressive in interacting
with the Pakistani media.
It is unfortunate that there is a lot of mistrust that
has built up with respect to the United States. And I think
we saw that in some of the reaction on the Kerry-Lugar legislation,
which we’d been working on and consulting with the
Government of Pakistan for many, many months. And the ultimate
passage of it we saw as a great milestone in our relationship,
and we were very concerned when the reaction was so volatile
and negative.
I believe we have gone a long way in answering and putting
to rest a lot of those misperceptions. As you know, Foreign
Minister Qureshi made a special trip here last week and
met with members of Congress, certainly Senator Kerry and
Congressman Berman and others, to make clear what the intent
of the legislation was. And on his recent trip in the region,
Senator Kerry, in between helping us very significantly
answer concerns raised in Afghanistan, made a trip to Islamabad
where he reiterated our approach.
This is going to take time. This is not something you can
fix in a news cycle or by just snapping your fingers and
asking people to believe you. You have to go at it day in
and day out. And I was, frankly, quite surprised that we
had not done much of this in an effective manner. But we’re
going to remedy that. And there’s no guarantee that
people will pay more attention to what we say, but at least
we’re going to be in the mix and we’re going
to be in the mix every day in getting out information that
can be used by those who understand that the United States
is hoping to be a good partner for not just the Government
of Pakistan, but more importantly, the people of Pakistan.
MODERATOR: Last question.
QUESTION: Good morning, Madame Secretary. Thank you for
coming to speak with us today. My name is Emmanuel Teitelbaum.
I’m a Jennings Randolph Senior Fellow here at the
U.S. Institute of Peace. And I have another question about
South Asia, but this time about India. Specifically, I’m
interested to get your perspective on the nuclear accord
that we entered into with India under the previous administration.
First, what, if anything, will the current Administration
do differently from the Bush Administration in terms of
the implementation of the Indo-U.S. Civilian Nuclear Accord?
And second, I’m curious to know how you think the
Indo-U.S. accord might influence negotiations with other
countries like Iran. In your opinion, does the accord serve
as a template for such negotiations, or does it set precedents
that might serve to complicate negotiations?
SECRETARY CLINTON: Well, first, let me begin by responding
that the nuclear accord, which we support — I supported
it as a senator, the Obama Administration supports it as
a government — is embedded in a broader strategic
dialogue that we are engaged in with the Indians. We view
our relationship as one that is comprehensive and very deep
in terms of the issues that we wish to explore with our
Indian counterparts and the areas where we are either already
or look to cooperate. I think it is very significant that
the first official visit in the Obama Administration will
be in November when Prime Minister Singh arrives.
The agreement is one that reflects the negotiations between
India and the United States. We’re not going to claim
or use it as a template in its specifics. But in general,
the kind of efforts to offer peaceful nuclear energy, while
at the same time having safeguards and verification that
will prevent others from going beyond the peaceful use of
nuclear energy, is something that we are looking at very
closely. The so-called 123 agreements that have been negotiated
or are in the midst of being negotiated with other countries
raise a lot of the same issues.
So as I said in my remarks earlier, the goal here is to
create a better verification and safeguard regime to look
for ways to provide the fuel cycle that doesn’t spin
into its use for non-peaceful purposes. Obviously, we have
a lot of confidence in the Indians and a lot of confidence
in their approach. And we are going to be working closely
with them, including American companies that will be part
of implementing the reactor sites that are part of the agreement.
But we want India to be part of our overall nonproliferation
efforts. And we want them to really be a major player at
the table in trying to figure out how, starting from where
we are right now, we go forward in an effective, verifiable
manner to reinstate a nonproliferation regime that can prevent
further countries acquiring nuclear weapons, or even peaceful
nuclear capacity without the safeguards that we envision.
So — India we see as a full partner in this effort,
and we look forward to working with them as we try to come
up with the 21st century version of the NPT.
Thank you all very much. (Applause.)
MODERATOR: Thank you so much, Secretary Clinton. (Applause.)
On behalf of the Institute of Peace and our board, we thank
you ever so much for being here. I would ask people to please
remain in their seats while the Secretary and her entourage
depart.
SECRETARY CLINTON: It’s just me. I’m here.
Bye. (Laughter.)
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