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U.S. Department of State
Remarks by Assistant Secretary of State Thomas A. Shannon,
Jr.
Americas Society
Council of the Americas
New York, NY
April 3, 2008
Assistant Secretary Shannon: Thank you very much, Susan.
I’d like to thank all of you for taking the time to
be here with me today. I am looking forward to a discussion
on U.S. policy, and conversation mean that I’m not
the only one who speaks. I’m looking forward to your
questions and to your comments. But again, I’d like
to thank you all for taking time this morning to be here
today.
If you read my biography I think the most salient point
is that I have trouble holding a job. So I’m trying
to hold onto this one for as long as possible. But again,
it’s great to be here, and it’s an exciting
moment, it’s an important moment in the Americas.
There’s a lot going on.
What I hope to be able to do today is to run through a
couple of broad themes. I wanted to talk a little bit about
2007 in review and kind of walk through what I thought we
accomplished last year, now that we’re kind of well
into 2008. Kind of briefly lay out what I think our principle
challenges are going to be in our policy towards the Americas
in the remainder of this administration.
Then talk a little bit about how, based on what we’ve
accomplished and what we hope to accomplish this year, how
we create what I call an enduring engagement in the Americas.
How we make sure that U.S. engagement is sustainable over
time and how our engagement has continuity to it.
Then I want to just end briefly with just a few thoughts
on the Americas. Some reflections about what I call how
you create an authentic diplomacy in the Americas which
is really about how you attempt to overcome rhetoric and
ideology to focus on shared values and shared interests
to build an agenda for the Americas that has broad consensus
and that has a potential for success over time.
But I wanted to start briefly by kind of laying out what
I consider to be the context in which our diplomacy takes
place, and it’s a context that many of you are familiar
with. From our point of view this is a region that has gone
through enormous transformation which has moved from authoritarian
governments to democratic governments, that has moved from
closed economies to open economies, that has really begun
to engage through trading with global markets, but all of
this has had a profound impact. But in many ways the impact
is most profound in the deepest and in some ways the most
neglected corners of our societies in the sense that the
promise of democracy has been embraced by all the peoples
of the Americas. The promise of economic integration and
the promise of market economies have also been embraced,
even though there are still some out there who have differing
understandings of what trading relationships are and what
they mean.
I think it’s now well understood that we are in a
hemisphere which is committed to democracy, and not just
committed to democracy in political terms, not just committed
to democracy in terms of a mechanism to transfer power or
constitutional procedures to manage the relationships between
institutions in a government, but also democracy in its
social and its economic sense. In other words a society
and an economy, a country in which all members of society
have access to the prosperity of that society and all members
of society feel they are part of a larger national project.
In this sense democracy in the region is really about inclusion.
It’s really about inviting people to participate more
broadly in their societies. This is profoundly important
from our point of view diplomatically, because governments
are really being reshaped in a significant way.
What I mean by this is as these societies democratize,
and as governments really reach a point where they are reflecting
their citizenry, they’re redefining national interests
and as they redefine national interests they’re redefining
how they engage with each other. And this is a very kind
of effervescent period diplomatically. We’ve seen
a lot of it recently. Whether it’s investment disputes
between Argentina and Uruguay; whether it’s the recent
border disputes between Colombia and Ecuador; whether it’s
a variety of disputes in the region; they’re all about
how democratic governments which really are trying to redefine
and represent their national interests engage with partners
that are in the same process. And in the process of doing
this how there can be confrontation and conflict, but how
more importantly I think is that there is a new space for
dialogue and a new space for diplomacy in a way that really
didn’t exist, I think, in a meaningful way previously.
During the darker days of authoritarian governments in
Latin America governments really didn’t speak to each
other. They really were isolated in so many ways. But they’re
speaking to each other now in an almost constant and continual
fashion through all kinds of different mechanisms.
And as you look out across the hemisphere today what’s
really striking is all of these integration mechanisms,
all of these economic cooperation mechanisms and political
dialogue mechanisms, whether it’s Mercosur, whether
it’s the larger idea of a South American Union, whether
it’s the Andean community, whether it’s the
Caribbean single common market, whether it’s CAFTA
and the Central American integration system, whether it’s
NAFTA, I could go on and on. But these are all kind of creative
initiatives all of which are informative stages and all
of which still have a lot of work in front of them as they
try to identify which of these processes work and which
are successful and which are not.
But as we engage in this environment, I think what is most
important for the United States is number one, that we be
open to the potential of the region; we be open to the potential
that these integration processes have; and that we try to
make ourselves a useful partner, recognizing that we bring
a unique perspective, we bring unique resources, and we
also bring unique influence both globally but also within
the international financial and elsewhere.
In this regard we are operating diplomatically in a context
in which things are effervescent, they’re bubbling.
But at the same time we have channels of communication,
we have means of dialogue and we have institutional structure,
both formally through the Organization of American States
and the Inter-American system, but also informally through
the Summit of the Americas process and all of the different
institutions that have been created over time to talk these
problems through. I think ultimately this is going to be
to the benefit of the Americas and it’s going to be
to the benefit of the United States.
In that regard, as we look back kind of over 2007, from
our point of view this was an important year for the United
States. 2006, as you’ll recall, was kind of a year
of elections. There were something like 17 major elections
throughout the hemisphere if you count presidential elections
and major legislative elections. That’s half the democracies
in the Americas. So really at the end of 2006 the region
had worked through an important series of democratic events,
had defined its leadership for the next bunch of years,
and from our point of view it had defined it in a pretty
positive fashion. In other words we came out of 2006 thinking
that we were in a good position to work with all the elected
governments in the hemisphere if those governments were
prepared to work with us.
As we engaged in 2007, we really saw it as what we called
a year of engagement or a year of commitment in which we
sought to work with our partners in the region to help them
be successful and to underscore our understanding first
of the big issues that they face. And secondly, our willingness
to put our political capital and our economic resources
behind those issues so these governments had a good chance
of being successful as they engaged the big problems. Recognizing
that most of the big challenges this region faces are social.
It’s really about poverty, inequality and social exclusion.
So we wanted to make clear that we were in a position to
address those issues.
Without kind of going into too much of a historical treatise
here, all of you are familiar with President Bush’s
trip to the region in March of 2007, the speech he gave
to the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce just before that trip
in which he laid out a social justice agenda for the Americas
that we wanted to be part of. And how he used that social
justice agenda not just to make it clear to our partners
throughout the region that we understood the dramatic social
issues and development issues that they faced, but also
that we were prepared to work with them. But also as an
effort to educate the American people. It was an effort
during a period in which the war in Iraq and the war in
Afghanistan have absorbed so many people’s attention,
to remind Americans that this is our neighborhood. This
is where we live, and that the countries of this region
have made a commitment to political values and economic
understandings that are familiar to us and that we support,
and that we need to find a way to make sure these countries
are successful and that the social justice agenda directly
affects our national security. In other words, how countries
in the region address poverty, how they address inequality,
and how they address social exclusion affects the well being
of the United States and the well being of U.S. citizens.
I think that was a very important message, and a much needed
one. We sought through the course of the year to underscore
this agenda through the types of actions we took. And aside
from the President’s trip, of course, he held a White
House Conference on the Americas which was designed to show
the flip side of U.S. official assistance in the region,
which is significant, but to show how U.S. society is connected
to the Americas by bringing together all of the different
NGOs, private development groups, corporations, universities,
faith-based institutions, all of these working in the Americas,
and hook them up with their counterparts working in countries
throughout the region.
The conference that the President did in July of last year
I think was significant. It was the first regional conference
that he has done in his presidency and I think in many ways
it was a really successful one. Because it highlighted,
I think, the intense level of interconnectedness in the
region and also highlighted the fact that in many ways our
governments are way behind our societies in terms of how
they integrate and how they communicate with each other.
And that one of the things we need to be focusing on is
how we facilitate this agreement and how we promote it and
how we make sure that we don’t get in the way of it
or impede it.
But so many of the initiatives that we pursued at that
time were designed to highlight this, whether it was in
the Free Trade Agreements that we negotiated, whether it
was in the nearly $1 billion in Millennium Challenge Corporation
monies that we began to disburse throughout the region in
compacts with Honduras, El Salvador and Nicaragua, but also
in threshold programs with Paraguay, Peru and Guiana. Whether
it was the debt relief that we worked on first through the
President’s G8 proposal which was incorporated into
the World Bank and IMF, but then coming out of the Summit,
in Mar del Plata, the President’s proposal to take
that agreement and incorporate it into the Inter-American
Development Bank which led to about $3.4 billion forgiven
for the poorest countries in the region – a significant
amount. If you look at the U.S.-Brazil biofuels partnership,
the U.S. Treasury effort to promote small businesses and
entrepreneurship, our Latin American and Caribbean infrastructure
development program, if you look at the deployment of the
U.S. hospital ship Comfort which treated over 400,000 patients
throughout the Caribbean and northern South America and
the Pacific Coast of South America, if you look at the establishment
of the Regional Health Care Training Center in Panama done
by Health and Human Services Secretary Leavitt along with
the Government of Panama which is training rural health
care promoters throughout Central America, if you look at
our Partnership for Latin American Youth which is a $75
million scholarship program that the President announced,
if you look at the Partnership for Breast Cancer Awareness
and Research for the Americas that First Lady Laura Bush
announced at the White House Conference on the Americas
which creates these partnerships in Mexico, Costa Rica and
Brazil, if you look at the U.S.-Chile Equal Opportunity
Scholarship Program which again puts 100 Chilean graduate
students in science, technology and engineering into U.S.
universities for the next ten years, if you look at security
initiatives that are linked to development like the Merida
Initiative or the U.S. strategy to combat gangs or the security
dialogue we have with Central America and our Security and
Prosperity Partnership with Canada and Mexico and also our
continuing engagement with Colombia, we think that 2007
was this incredibly active year as we kind of reached out
from top to bottom in this hemisphere, and at all levels
of government. Not just with presidential visits, but with
a lot of cabinet level visits and a lot of congressional
visits to the region.
Again, the point was to show that first, we get it, we
know what the problem is. Number two, we want to be part
of the solution, not part of the problem. And that we want
to build a broad engagement with the hemisphere that is
focused on social and economic development and built upon
dialogue and cooperation.
As we look forward in 2008 we really want to take this
level of commitment and engagement and make it a partnership
and make it a partnership that endures.
As we look out over the challenges we face this year, what’s
striking is that in some ways the challenges we face aren’t
diplomatic, they’re internal to the United States.
They have to do with the U.S. Congress and our relationship
between the executive branch and the U.S. Congress.
What I mean in that regard is that we have two Free Trade
Agreements before our Congress, or will be before our Congress,
in the not too distant future. The first is Colombia and
the second is Panama. There is also South Korea, but I’ll
leave that to my colleague Chris Hill to promote that with
our Congress. But obviously we think that successful congressional
consideration of the Colombia and the Panama Free Trade
Agreement is essential to our broader strategic and economic
interests in the hemisphere and also vital to our understanding
of what a partnership is and our ability to maintain our
influence and presence in the region.
This is going to be a heavy lift in our Congress. All of
you are familiar with this. All of you are familiar with
the political challenges that we face in this electoral
year, but the President has made clear in a variety of statements
recently, and the Secretary had made clear in several speeches,
that from our point of view the Colombia Free Trade Agreement
is an essential piece in a larger strategy for hemispheric
engagement so we have strongly urged our Congress to take
into consideration both Free Trade Agreements and to pass
them quickly so that we can implement them in a timely fashion.
I’m happy to talk more about that later in the question
and answer session.
But the second issue before our Congress is the Merida
Initiative which, as you know, is the security assistance
initiative that we’ve built with Mexico and Central
America which we envision as a three year program. This
administration has put forward two budget requests. It will
fall to the next administration to put forward the third,
but at this point over two years we’re asking for
$1.1 billion in security assistance for Mexico and Central
America.
Again, from our point of view this is vital to our ability
to show a willingness to help democratic partners in the
region that directly affect our broader border security,
to fight organized crime and drug trafficking, and to do
so in a way that, number one, consolidates democratic institutions
and creates a space for economic reform to take root and
to bear fruit.
What has been striking about our dialogue with Mexico and
Central America in building the Merida Initiative is that
the dialogue has, from my point of view, been unique in
the sense that this is the first time that Mexico and Central
America have approached the United States with a very specific
security issue and have been prepared to create regional
security strategies themselves -- first a Mexican regional
security strategy, then a Central American regional security
strategy that are linked, approach us about how they think
we can best help the Mexican and Central American governments
address security issues, both in terms of equipment and
financing, but also institution building, and do so in a
cooperative way. In other words, this is not the United
States dropping a security model on the region. This is
the region coming to us with its own security model.
And what we’re doing in the process of these discussions
is building institutional relationships that didn’t
exist previously, especially at the level of law enforcement.
Building levels of confidence which I think will be very
important as we carry our dialogue forward. But also I think
sending a very clear political signal that the leaders of
these regions, the elected leaders and their people, have
understood and recognized that organized crime and drug
trafficking is an existential threat and that it has to
be dealt with in a serious way. But more importantly, that
the United States, Mexico and Central American countries
now have a shared security agenda, that the shared security
agenda is directly linked to social and economic development
and the consolidation of democratic institutions. And that
just as there are shared challenges, there are shared responsibilities
and we bear a lot of the responsibility because we recognize
that we are the major market for drugs moving through the
region, we are the major market for people moving through
the region, and that weapons coming out of the United States
and bulk currency, laundered currency coming out of the
United States into Mexico is a huge security issue for the
region.
In other words, I think we have been successful in building
a security agenda that recognizes that we have shared challenges
and shared responsibilities and that we can have a degree
of dialogue and cooperation that will actually improve security
in the United States, but also security in Mexico and Central
America and link it through our Andean Counter-Drug Initiative
to the entire region.
Again, this will be before our Congress. There’s
a supplemental budget request that it’s looking at
right now for 2008 and in 2009 we have an additional request
which I think also deserves quick approval by our Congress.
Aside from Colombia and Merida as we look out to our broader
diplomatic agenda for the rest of this year, the President
this month will be meeting with Prime Minister Harper and
President Calderon in New Orleans for the fourth meeting
of the Security and Prosperity Partnership. This is a North
American effort to take NAFTA, address the remaining friction
points in the commercial and trade relationship to ensure
that as our economies evolve that our trading relationships
evolve and our regulatory regimes evolve so that we can
actually facilitate the movement of goods and services across
our borders, but also understands North America as a shared
economic space and that as a shared economic space we need
to protect it, and that we need to understand that we don’t
protect this economic space only at our frontiers, that
it has to be protected more broadly throughout North America.
And as we have worked through the Security and Prosperity
Partnership to improve our commercial and trading relationship,
we have also worked to improve our security cooperation.
To a certain extent, we’re armoring NAFTA. We’re
trying to show that this $15 trillion economy can be protected
against a threat of terrorism and against a threat of natural
disasters and environmental and ecological disasters.
Both Canada and Mexico have gone through political transitions
and maintained a commitment to the Security and Prosperity
Partnership. We are the only country that has not gone through
a political transition yet, but we will shortly. The hope
of President Bush is that with this meeting in New Orleans,
which will be the fourth meeting of the SPP at a leaders
level, that this will effectively institutionalize a U.S.
commitment. This was a process that began in Waco, Texas,
then moved to Cancun, Mexico, then last year in Montebello,
Canada and this year in New Orleans. So it is our hope that
with this fourth meeting that we will have built an enduring
form of communication and cooperation in North America which
is going to be so important to our well being.
The next issue that faces us is laying the groundwork for
the 2009 Summit of the Americas. This is a Summit that’s
going to be held in Trinidad and Tobago. As you recall,
the first major multilateral event that President Bush went
to after he was elected was the Summit of the Americas in
Quebec City. As in this instance, a vast majority of the
initial negotiation and ground work for that Summit was
done at the end of the Clinton administration. In the same
fashion, this administration will be doing a lot of the
ground work for the Summit of the Americas in anticipation
for whatever administration comes next.
So it’s been important for us that we work with our
partners in the region and build a Summit of the Americas
agenda that can enjoy broad support and consensus. We’ve
been meeting not only with our colleagues in Trinidad and
Tobago but elsewhere through the region, especially countries
that have hosted Summits of the Americas to try to determine
what lessons we can learn from previous Summits in order
to ensure that this Summit is a successful one, not just
for the entire region but also for the new President, because
this Summit will set a tone, and we want to make sure that
it’s a successful one because it will be important
for whoever is elected that that President have a positive
experience in Trinidad and Tobago.
Also as we move forward we’re going to be focusing
on strengthening our strategic partnerships in the region,
and these are obvious ones. But our relationship with Canada
is incredibly important, and one of the things that has
been striking over time is the degree to which Canada is
engaging more and more in the Americas, not only through
institutions like the Organization of American States but
also in its bilateral relationships. The Harper government
recently released a broad strategy on Latin America which
his I think the first time in a long time Canada has done
this. From our point of view it’s a very thoughtful
strategy, it’s one that runs parallel to much of what
we’re doing in the region, and from our point of view
this is an indication that Canada is committed to the Western
Hemisphere, is committed to working in the Americas in an
important and positive way, and that’s important.
I’ve talked about the Merida Initiative and the importance
of Mexico as a strategic partner so I don’t think
I have to go into too much detail there, but obviously Mexico
is a country that is going through dynamic change right
now. This is a country which really is on the verge of a
huge breakthrough in terms of its social and economic development.
We have to find a way to help them be successful in this
regard, because to have a secure, developed neighbor on
the southwest border would be a remarkable thing for us,
and Mexico is capable of doing it. It’s got the leadership,
I think it’s got the broad popular commitment, and
it’s got a vision and we want to make sure that we
are as helpful as possible in this regard.
And obviously our relationship with Brazil has been very
important. This is something that President Bush has been
working on since the very beginning of his administration,
but especially since the election of President Lula, and
our outreach to Brazil has been constant. I think it’s
been very fruitful. Brazil is a regional power, it’s
a global partner, and we have again sought ways to work
with Brazil that highlight our broad commitment to a broader
economic and social development agenda such as our Biofuels
Partnership. But also most recently Secretary Rice’s
visit to Brazil and her focus on working with Brazil to
fight racial discrimination and intolerance.
In this regard I would like to just point out, I talked
earlier about the economic and social development, our commitment
to a broader social agenda in the hemisphere, our understanding
of the kinds of challenges that the region faces, and I
do think it’s important to note that just a few weeks
ago as the region was trying to address the issue that had
arisen between Ecuador and Colombia, both the First Lady
and Secretary Rice were traveling in the region.
The First Lady went to Haiti and to Mexico. She went to
Haiti to highlight our work in fighting HIV/AIDS and promoting
education and small businesses through micro credits, and
she went to Mexico to launch our Partnership for Breast
Cancer Awareness with the government of Mexico and Mexican
institutions. Two trips that were all focused on health,
education and jobs.
And Secretary Rice traveled to Brazil and Chile. In Brazil
she signed the Joint Action Plan against Racial Discrimination
and Intolerance with the Brazilian Special Minister for
Racial Equality, Edson Santos, in the presence of Foreign
Minister Celso Amorim. And in Chile, she along with Foreign
Minister Foxley launched the Chile-California Partnership
which is an effort to revive a partnership between Chile
and California that had existed in the 1960s but which had
fallen by the wayside during the Pinochet government years.
Originally this was a partnership that was largely focused
on education and agriculture. A lot of Chileans went to
the University of California schools and a lot of Chile’s
agricultural success comes out of places like UC Davis.
But we wanted to revive this in some fashion and expand
it, not only to include education and agricultural issues,
but also tie into California’s high tech sector which
is an area that Chile could do well in. But also look at
other kinds of exchanges between state and local governments
and other social and cultural activities.
So I just think it’s striking that during a period
in which the region was grappling with a kind of security/border
issue which was the Colombia/Ecuador dispute, we were in
the region focusing on social agendas. I think that says
a lot about how we see ourselves in the region right now
and what it is we’re trying to do in the region.
Then very briefly, I think another thing that we need to
kind of tie down by the end of this administration is the
achievements that have taken place in Haiti and make sure
that we pass off to the new government a broad international
commitment to Haiti, a UN commitment to Haiti that will
endure over the next bunch of years as Haiti rebuilds its
democratic state and creates a democratic government that’s
able to address Haiti’s economic challenges and social
challenges.
Up to this point I think we’ve been remarkably successful.
A lot of the success is due to the incredible work of the
Latin American nations that are involved in MINUSTAH, in
the broader peacekeeping effort. And it’s broad. It
goes everywhere from Guatemala to Bolivia to Paraguay to
Brazil to Argentina to Peru to Chile and Canada. It’s
really been a remarkable accomplishment for the Latin American
countries to play a role in MINUSTAH and not only to play
a successful public order role, but to be able to make this
transition, this flip from maintaining public order to creating
an environment in which economic and social development
can take place.
This is one of the biggest challenges, I think, facing
UN peacekeeping missions around the world, especially in
the developing world, which is how you move from public
order to economic and social development. I think under
Brazilian leadership MINUSTAH has made that flip successfully.
If we’re able working with our partners to keep this
process on track, we might be in a position to hand off
a Haiti to the next administration which for the first time
in decades doesn’t erupt in some kind of crisis for
the new administration and doesn’t become a drag on
thousands of U.S. troops, which we just can’t do at
this point. So the degree to which we can consolidate what
we’ve accomplished in Haiti I think will be hugely
successful.
Then I think as we look towards the end of the administration,
I think what we are going to be trying to do is finding
some way to tie this all together and make sure that we
articulate a broader vision for the region that we can also
pass off to the next administration. I think we’ve
done a lot of it so far in terms of our broader social justice
agenda, and the degree to which we’re building our
political engagement and our larger economic assistance
and political cooperation but if we’re successful
in our Congress with the Colombia and Panama Free Trade
Agreements, we will effectively have an unbroken line of
Free Trade Agreements stretching from Canada to the tip
of Chile.
This is a remarkable accomplishment. This administration
will have negotiated ten Free Trade Agreements in eight
years. Now it’s not a Free Trade Area of the Americas,
and regrettably because of problems in the Doha Round and
because of the international community’s inability
to come to terms on agricultural subsidies in a meaningful
way, FTA just isn’t going to get done in this administration.
But in the mean time we have constructed a series of Free
Trade Agreements that cover about two-thirds of the GDP
of the hemisphere. Now there is a huge gap which are the
Mercosur countries, obviously, but I think this string of
Free Trade Agreements, number one, is an important strategic
platform for us to reach across the Pacific to the dynamic
economies of Asia and I don’t think it’s a mistake
or a coincidence that these Free Trade Agreements are all
in the Pacific, number one. But number two, I think it allows
a platform from which we can have a very useful conversation
with Mercosur countries about the importance of trade.
But in order to do that I think we need to begin to expand
the terms of our trade dialogue. Some of this is already
taking place in the region. The Peruvians along with partners
in South America have launched something called the Arc
of the Pacific where the Trade Ministers from Chile, Peru,
Mexico, Colombia, and some of the Central American countries
are talking about how you begin to take advantage of a common
approach to trade and start tying these economies together
and looking for ways to see how trading regimes can be compatible
and how you can actually take advantage of synergies between
these countries. This is an important step and it’s
one that we’re looking at very closely. We want to
make sure we don’t suffocate it by getting too close
too fast, but we think it’s a really positive development.
But in this regard, we would also, as this conversation
develops, we would like to make sure that it has a social
content to it, that is clear as the conversation deepens
that we’re talking about not just kind of harmonizing
trading regimes, but also what we call connecting pathways
to prosperity. And also talking about the broader social
consequences of trade, identifying who wins and who loses,
and how you compensate losers and how you help them adjust
to new aspects of the economy and how through the experiences
of individual countries you begin to develop best practices
that can be shared throughout the region as they attempt
to address the broader consequences of trade, and also how
we can understand better how to use trading arrangements
to enhance labor and environmental standards which obviously
are also an important aspect of our approach to free trade
in the region, especially following the agreement that was
done between Democratic House leadership and the administration
last May.
In this regard we really see the potential of a conversation
among free trading governments as a way to really expand
the dialogue about development, about economic and social
development and the degree to which trade is a major engine
of this.
In this regard we have started an economic partnership
dialogue with Brazil and the purpose of this, again, is
to make sure that as we pursue this broader Free Trade Agreement
that it not appear as if we’re ignoring our other
important trading partners.
We’ve had two rounds in this economic partnership
dialogue. We’ll have a third round before this administration
ends. Ultimately we would hope that this dialogue expand
to all of Mercosur. That’s one of the reasons why
we’re focusing now on making sure that this is a dialogue
that is successful, that it identifies areas where we can
actually deepen our trading and commercial relationship,
and that we can ensure that we have a level of dialogue
that does allow an eventual connection between what we’re
accomplishing on the Pacific Coast and what the South American
countries are accomplishing along the Atlantic Coast.
And very briefly, I talked about the importance of an enduring
engagement in the region. As we work through these different
initiatives that we consider to be essential to a broader
partnership in the Americas, we want to make sure, first
of all, that there is broad bipartisan support for it. And
secondly, that we are in a position to hand these structures
off to whatever administration comes after President Bush.
Because we recognize at the end of the day that what is
going to determine our success or failure in the region
is the continuity of our policy and whether or not our engagement
can be sustained.
We have recognized that over time so much of our engagement
in the Americas has been driven by crises, whether it is
in the Caribbean, whether it’s in Central America,
whether it’s in the Andes, whether they are financial
crises or political crises or security crises. And while
obviously we have to be in a position to respond to crises
as they emerge, we also have to make sure that we’ve
got a broader strategic approach that is focused on our
long term interests and that does ensure a degree of continuity.
And we think that we over the past eight years have built
a platform from which we can do that. We do believe that
for the most part our approach has been bipartisan in nature,
that it has been about dialogue and cooperation, and that
we are in a position to give the next administration a huge
opportunity to deepen its engagement, to use what we’ve
established as kind of a base that it can build on. And
this will be to our benefit and it will be to the benefit
of the region. Because quite frankly, this is a region that
has changed in really important ways in a very short period
of time. The Americas that President Bush will hand off
to his successor in January of 2009 are going to be very
different from the Americas he inherited in January of 2001,
in so many different ways. Some of them we’ve already
talked about.
But because of these changes, because of the democratization
and because of the opening of economies and because of the
success that Latin America and the Caribbean have had, we
are no longer a singular partner. This is a region that
has lots of opportunities and options, and it’s a
much more competitive environment for us and we have to
be prepared to compete. That means that we need to be present
and we need to understand that it’s not that our influence
has declined, it’s that our influence is changing.
We are still, I think, a vital component of success in the
region. Political success, and economic and social success.
But in order for that success to happen we have to be there.
And we cannot assume that our partners in Latin America
and the Caribbean are going to wait for us. Quite the contrary,
they face huge demands from their populations, and these
demands have to be met in short order. Therefore they’re
going to look for anybody who can help them. And we have
to recognize that and understand it and not see it as a
challenge to us, but actually as an opportunity for us.
So, in this regard, as we look ahead it’s going to
be vital for us to maintain the kind of dialogue and cooperation
with everybody who wants to have dialogue and cooperation
with us.
I’ll just end with kind of a few reflections as we
look ahead and as we think about how to build an enduring
engagement. I think we’re at a point in time in which
the United States and Latin America really can get beyond
our recent history, really can begin to see each other not
through the light of a security struggle taking place elsewhere
in the world, but we can really see ourselves clearly in
the light of the Americas, can see ourselves clearly in
terms of our shared political values and common understandings
about our societies and about our economies, and based on
this kind of get beyond the rhetoric and ideology that has
really confined or restricted our engagements over time.
And use this to build relationships that are lasting.
I don’t know how many of you have spent time in Washington,
D.C. and have actually wandered around the city. I highly
recommend it because you learn a lot from wandering around
a capital, but especially wandering around a capital like
Washington which is so focused on monuments and public space,
because it says a lot about what we value.
If you were to leave the State Department and start walking
in ever-increasing concentric circles, what you would find
are, with a few exceptions, a few contemporary exceptions,
monuments and buildings all dedicated to the Americas. The
exceptions being the Albert Einstein statue that sits out
by the National Academy of Sciences and the statue of a
discus thrower right next to the State Department which
the people of Italy gave the United States after World War
II.
But if you were to walk out the back door of the State
Department you would run into a statue of Bernard le DeGalves
who was a Spanish general who operated in the upper Florida
panhandle in the Mississippi delta during our war of independence
and effectively denied British access to New Orleans and
to the Mississippi River. This was hugely important in our
war of independence. In fact if you were to go to Spain
the Spanish would tell you that Bernard le DeGalves was
much more important than Lafayette or Rochambeau. The French
would disagree. [Laughter]. But the Spanish insist it was
DeGalves who kept the British out of the Ohio River Valley
and effectively kept them out of the ability to create a
two-front war against Washington’s armies.
Then if you were to keep walking, you would run into a
statue of San Martin, you would run into a statue of Boliva,
you would run into a statue of Ortiguez, and if you made
the swing all the way around and got by the Kennedy Center
you would run into a statue of Benito Juarez.
Of course on Constitution Avenue there is the old Pan-American
Secretariat Building which is now an administrative building
and a library for the OAS. Then of course the OAS headquarters
itself which is a really kind of striking and beautiful
piece of architecture.
But the point of all this is that for the longest time
in U.S. diplomacy the Americas was really the centerpiece
of our diplomacy. It was the centerpiece of our foreign
policy. And while we’re a global power and we’re
going to continue to face challenges throughout the world,
I still believe that the Americas are an important core
of our foreign policy and our engagements in the world because
they allow us an opportunity to put our best face forward
and to engage with partners who are prepared to have a dialogue
and to cooperate with us. I think this is something we need
to nurture, something we need to build on, because ultimately
as we face really tough security challenges elsewhere in
the world, living in a neighborhood that’s secure
and living in a neighborhood that’s prosperous is
going to be vital to our long term security.
I thank you all very much for being so patient and listening
to this, and I’m delighted to take your questions
or listen to your comments.
[Applause]
Moderator: I want to thank Tom for your insightful comments
and for being so frank and honest. We have microphones,
if you can just state your name.
Question: Good morning. Alberto Armendariz from the newspaper
La Nacion from Argentina and Reforma from Mexico. I wanted
to ask you about two subjects that you haven’t touched.
One of them is Argentina and the developing tension in the
country with the government, especially the government that
has been acting in the political and social framework of
the old Peronism. How does the State Department see the
analysis, what’s going on in Argentina?
And then the other subject is Cuba. What is the administration
doing for getting a bipartisan policy on transitional Cuba?
Assistant Secretary Shannon: This is the rest of the day.
[Laughter].
In regard to Argentina, I can’t make any comment
on current events in Argentina because these are really
internal Argentine issues. But what I can do is highlight
the fundamental importance of our relationship with Argentina.
We believe that Argentina is an important partner in the
region and has been for many years, and we share fundamental
interests that we have been able to work I think in important
ways, whether they be counter-terrorism, whether they be
counter-drugs, whether they be broader non-proliferation
issues, or working to enhance the consolidation of democratic
institutions and stability in the Americas.
Our purpose and intent is to make sure that our level of
dialogue with Argentina is as open and fluid as possible
and to make it clear to Argentina that we value their partnership
and that we’re prepared to engage with Argentina to
the degree that Argentina can engage with us. Again, we’re
committed to a successful relationship. The fundamentals
are all there. We’re going to make sure that it is
successful. We’ve seen, I think, similar attitudes
on the Argentine side, and that’s important.
In regard to Cuba, this is obviously a moment of great
importance for Cuba, great significance as it kind of slowly,
tentatively begins a process of change. I guess the big
question is, where does this change lead to? There’s
no doubt that in the election of Raul Castro to the Supreme
State Council and to the people he selected to be his First
Vice President and Second Vice Presidents that this is a
regime that is inherently conservative and very focused
on control. But as we look ahead, our broader goal, of course,
would be a peaceful transition to democracy and a transition
that is enduring. We believe there is great desire for change
inside of Cuba and that this desire for change will probably
be expressed in the first instance in the desire for betterment
in their daily lives, which means change on an economic
and a social level. But that ultimately for this kind of
change to be enduring there has to be change on a political
level. And we would just kind of urge the government in
Cuba to begin a dialogue with its own people. Because it’s
only through this kind of dialogue that this kind of change
is going to be enduring.
As we look out over the history of transitions in the region,
and not only in the region but in the world, whether it’s
South Africa, whether it’s Eastern European countries
or Brazil or Portugal or Spain, all of the transitions that
have been successful have involved regimes that have established
dialogues with interlocutors in their society that the regime
itself doesn’t control. Whether it’s Nelson
Mandela in South Africa or Lech Walesa in Poland –
all of these governments, as they work through change processes,
need to have a conversation with their people, one that
their people can actually have a degree of confidence in.
This is the one aspect of changing Cuba that we haven’t
seen yet. The Cuban regime is still using old structures
and mechanisms of control and repression to carry out its
dialogue with the Cuban people. I think that is going to
have to change if that dialogue is going to be meaningful.
The Cubans don’t listen to us much but they do listen
to others. The message that we have when we engage diplomatically
with others is first, Cuba’s future should be democratic.
Secondly, it should be open enough to allow it to return
to the inter-American system and to engage more broadly
in global trading systems.
Along with taking steps like allowing people to buy cell
phones and stay in hotels and buy fertilizer and seed and
buy computers, they might consider another reform, which
is releasing political prisoners. Because in the release
of political prisoners, number one, you show that you’re
no longer going to use your repressive apparatus to manage
political dialogue and you’re going to remove fear
from the equation. That, from our point of view, is vitally
important to the ability for internal dialogue in Cuba to
be meaningful. And as we engage diplomatically with our
partners around the region, we’ve found that everybody
aggress with us. It’s just a question of how you talk
to the Cubans and how they’re prepared to listen.
But this is tricky. And at the end of the day the reality
of Cuba is that a change in Cuba is going to be driven by
the Cuban people. It’s going to be an internal process.
It’s not going to be an external process. The most
that we can do and others can do is create the right kind
of context, and in creating that context I think number
one, we need to send clear messages to the Cuban government
about the importance of human rights and the importance
of democratic change. But they also think we need to send
message to the Cuban people. That there is solidarity for
them, that people want them to be part of a larger community
of democratic nations, that they want Cuba to connect to
international trading systems and other economic regimes
that will actually allow them to enjoy some degree of prosperity.
Question: Hi, thank you. Bill Horner with Bloomberg News.
Just expanding on that a little bit, do you think some of
the steps you mentioned regarding cell phones and so forth,
do you consider those positive steps or is that something
you can build on? Is there some way to respond to those
steps, limited though they might be? Is there any sign that
Raul Castro is moving in those ways or other ways in the
right direction and that gives you sort of an opening, even
a little bit of response commensurate with what you see
in terms of those moves?
Assistant Secretary Shannon: I guess I would respond to
that by saying that Cuba is such a closed society that any
opening is a good thing. For those of us who don’t
live in this kind of environment, the thought that being
able to buy a cell phone or being able to stay in a hotel
or being able to go to the store and buy seed and fertilizer
is a huge advance. It kind of makes you shake your head
for a moment. But that tells you a lot about Cuba and the
context in Cuba where these things are considered significant.
I would say anything that begins to open Cuban society is
a good thing. We just think that it needs to go faster and
needs to be bolder.
Question: Thank you for underscoring the main subjects
with which your administration has been dealing in the hemisphere.
There is a big piece of the puzzle that is missing which
is the Farm Bill. It affects, it conditions, it curtails
our development and our stability. How do we go about stopping
it? We had big hope two years ago when President Bush threw
the gauntlet at the UN Assembly, literally challenging the
Europeans to come to terms, but it affects us directly and
we need to address that issue. How do you do that?
Assistant Secretary Shannon: That’s the big question.
I can’t comment on our Farm Bill, but President Bush
reiterated kind of this challenge to our developed partners
around the world in terms of agricultural subsidies just
a few days ago in which he said the United States is prepared
to take dramatic steps on subsidies if others in the world
who have closed down their markets are prepared to take
bigger steps. This is really I think the big issue in Doha
right now. Whether the United States and Brazil and the
European Union and others are able to find a solution to
this is going to determine whether or not Doha is successful
and ultimately whether or not we can kind of bring the FTA
out of the freezer and warm it up. But I don’t have
a good answer to that question because this is being worked
through negotiators and ultimately the deal when it’s
done will be political and it will be done at the highest
levels.
Question: Thank you. I am Jorge [inaudible] from Argentina.
Let me first of all, sir, express my agreement with what
you have said about our bilateral relationship, the United
States and Argentina.
Secondly, I would like to know your opinion about the evolution
of the role of Organization of American states, especially
taking in account recent episodes. Thank you.
Assistant Secretary Shannon: From our point of view the
OAS is a central institution in our broader engagement in
the hemisphere. I mean the engagement is not only bilateral,
it’s also multilateral. It’s done through a
variety of mechanisms, but the most important and the most
constant one is the OAS. It’s the only political forum
in the hemisphere in which all countries meet. Therefore
we need to find ways to promote and strengthen it.
I think the OAS came out strengthened in the aftermath
of the Ecuador-Colombia dispute, because I do think it was
able to create, first of all, space for dialogue, which
is very important. But also a space in which the broader
concerns of all countries present could be discussed, and
also bring to bear resources that can actually address the
fundamental underlying cause of the problem which is the
nature of the frontier between Colombia and Ecuador. I think
the OAS working with the government of Ecuador, working
with the government of Colombia will be in a good position
to fashion a series of mechanisms that will allow both countries
to express and articulate their security concerns and look
for ways to cooperate in a more effective way.
So I think the OAS as an institution emerged from the recent
disputes strengthened. And this was one of our broader goals.
One thing we need to be careful of is that the region doesn’t
fragment and that it doesn’t become a series of sub-regions.
And the degree to which we can use processes or institutions
that bring everybody back together and remind them that
we share a hemisphere. It’s important.
Question: I’m Luis Torez with AFP. France is considering
giving some FARC members political asylum status in order
to try to release some of the hostages including particularly
Ingrid Betancourt. What do you think about that, and do
you think it could help the situation for the American hostages?
Assistant Secretary Shannon: We’ve tried to make
it clear that we support President Uribe and the government
of Colombia in their effort to fashion a humanitarian accord
with the FARC in order to win the release of all the hostages
and that we also support the role that third parties might
play, whether they be individuals or governments or organizations
in an effort to fashion a humanitarian accord. We have viewed
France’s role in this as an important role and as
a positive one, always understanding that at the end of
the day this role, to be successful, has to be undertaken
in coordination with the blessing of the government of Colombia,
obviously, because they’re the ones who are holding
these FARC prisoners at this point in time.
But obviously we’re interested in getting the three
American hostages out. We are constantly reminding ourselves
of them. If you go to the American Embassy in Bogotá,
the first thing you do when you come into the lobby of the
embassy is you’ll see the photographs of the three
hostages, but we have always linked their release to a broader
release of all the hostages and have called on the FARC
to do that.
Question: Thank you very much. Thank you, Susan for the
invitation and thank you very much Thomas Shannon for this
excellent dialogue regarding U.S. policy in Latin America.
Excellent insights.
You have mentioned that it’s very important for the
region to approve Colombia Free Trade Agreement with the
USA. We know that President Bush administration has shown
to the Congress the positive impact that trade has had in
Colombia and addressed their concerns about violence and
impunity. He has also shown that the Colombian government
is making good progress on human rights protection, is making
good progress in moving from a culture of impunity to culture
of justice, and the way it has improved trade union rights,
human rights, through expanding the authority of the democratic
state by creating prosperity, economic growth and opportunity.
We know the presidential elections, what do you think for
your experience is going to happen this month of April with
the Free Trade Agreement in the Congress of your country?
Assistant Secretary Shannon: I’m not sure my experience
is much of a guide at this point. But obviously we’re
committed to successful consideration of the Free Trade
Agreement. It will be submitted to the Congress and we will
work very hard to win congressional approval. But obviously
so much of this lies in the hands of the Democratic leadership
of the House and the Senate, especially in the House. And
it is our hope as they engage in negotiations with the administration
about this and as they think about the future of the region
that first they understand the strategic nature of the FTA.
It’s much more than a trade agreement. It’s
really the manifestation of an alliance between the United
States and Colombia, which is important to us, it’s
important to Colombia. But as I mentioned, it is part of
a missing piece in a larger free trade, construction of
a larger free trade area in the Americas that ultimately
will be very important to us strategically. And to have
a big hole where Colombia and Panama is would be bad for
us.
But I talked about the importance of being present in the
region. I talked about the importance of having a continuous,
sustainable presence in the region. It’s hard to do
that without a Free Trade Agreement with Colombia because
for our Congress to back away from Colombia at this point
in time sends a very clear message to the region that we’re
prepared to be your partner until it becomes internally
difficult for us or domestically difficult for us, and then
we’ll step away and leave you to your fate. That’s
not a good message, especially for a message like the United
States.
It is my hope that the Democratic leadership in the House
will find a way to reconcile their very real domestic political
issues with broader national security concerns and do it
in a way that recognizes and supports those national security
concerns.
Question: I’m Maria Fernandez Pinosa, Ecuadorian
Ambassador to the UN. Thank you Tom, for a very insightful
analysis. I know that it is impossible to touch on every
single topic regarding Latin America, but perhaps a very
short few words on migratory policy, migration reform, and
climate change that for us, my country, my government, is
of extreme relevance in terms of human security which is
climate change policy and U.S. engagement in the climate
change debate.
Assistant Secretary Shannon: Thank you. Those are excellent
questions. Because they really go to the larger nature of
the relationship we’re trying to build in the hemisphere.
Obviously achieving comprehensive immigration reform in
the United States has been a central goal of the Bush administration
and it will almost certainly be a major challenge for whatever
government comes next, because there’s no doubt that
our immigration law structure no longer reflects the reality
of our relationships with the Americas and especially the
nature of our economies. So in this regard the ability to
reform our immigration law to reflect how our own economies
have evolved, the importance of the presence of migrants
in our own society is going to be vital to or well being,
to our security, but also to our relationships with our
partners around the region. For all the reasons you all
are familiar with, whether it be remittances or whatever.
So this has to be addressed and it has to be addressed
meaningfully. But as we address it here I think we need
to understand that migration isn’t just a U.S. phenomenon.
It’s a hemispheric phenomenon. There are lots of countries
that are facing migration issues, whether they be the transit
countries, those countries that send their people north,
or those countries that themselves are recipients of immigrants,
especially in South America and the Caribbean.
So as we attempt to manage our migratory reform here in
the United States, the degree to which we’re able
to have a broader hemispheric discussion on the impact of
migration and the importance of it that will be, I think,
very important.
And I think what you see coming out of Bali is a commitment
by the United States government, first if all understanding
the importance of climate change, and a commitment to working
towards meaningful reform, especially in terms of carbon
emissions. And the fact that this is an important issue
in our campaign now and the fact that John McCain has also
made some very strong statements about the importance of
climate change, I think is a strong indicator of what is
to come.
I think this is going to be an area where we can have a
very good conversation.
Question: Bruce Gelb, Council of the American Ambassadors.
Your description of the future sounds very encouraging.
There’s one 800 pound gorilla who has not been mentioned
so far today and I wonder if you might inject that man into
our meeting. I think you know who I’m talking about
in Venezuela.
Assistant Secretary Shannon: Actually, there are other
800 pound gorillas, like commodity prices which ultimately
I think will have an even bigger impact.
You know, let me start by saying that, by analyzing the
context in which we’re operating. If you go back to
the beginning of this administration and what was happening
in the region, many of the countries in the region were
completely inward focused. They were dealing with big crises,
whether it be the collapse of the Argentine economy and
social and political strife that that produced, whether
it was the collapse of the Fujimori government and the beginning
of the Toledo government, whether it be the end of the Samper
in Colombia and the last months of the Pastrana government
and the beginning of Uribe’s democratic security policy,
whether it be the end of the Fernando Enrique Cardoso government
and the effort by a newly elected Lula to consolidate his
power and to articulate a leadership path forward, whether
it be the emergence in Mexico of a multi-party government
and our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan created an environment
in the Americas in which there was an awful lot of space
and nobody was occupying the space. And this created I think
a huge opportunity for Venezuela and a huge opportunity
for Hugo Chavez to articulate a particular vision for the
region and to take the resources that he had and put them
against that vision.
But what we’ve seen happening over the last bunch
of years is that this large space that he was able to occupy
has been shrinking. It’s been shrinking largely because
the countries in the region have dealt with their internal
issues successfully. Argentina’s economic crisis is
well under control. It has a consolidated political base.
Brazil and Lula have shown themselves incredibly capable
of managing their economy and projecting themselves as a
leader in the region. Chile has made a commitment to the
region that has been significant. Alan Garcia in Peru has
created a new space for Peru in the region. Uribe’s
democratic security policy has been successful. Colombia
is more outwardly focused than it was previously. President
Calderon has decided that Mexico cannot be absent from Latin
America so he’s making an important commitment in
the region. Canada is involved in the region. And we’re
kind of back in the game.
What this means is the space Venezuela has sought to occupy
has shrunk and what we’re seeing I think over time
is that he’s being confined. And I think this is positive
for the region and ultimately positive for Venezuela because
it’s requiring Venezuela to focus more on internal
issues and weaknesses that are significant and important.
I think the results of the December 2nd referendum are important
in that regard because they sent a very strong signal that
while many many Venezuelans agree with the social vision
of President Chavez that they want better implementation.
They want better governance. They want security. They want
food in their stores. And they’re worried about inflation.
So the degree to which the Venezuelan government focuses
on addressing its internal concerns and policies and the
degree to which it shows a willingness because of this to
engage in a more constructive way with neighbors and with
us is going to be really important. And I think that’s
kind of our next test. Because as this space confines we
need to make it clear to Venezuela that we’re prepared
to work with it if it wants to work with us. And we’ve
tried to do that, especially on issues of counter-drug activity
and commercial activity.
Your question wasn’t about U.S.-Venezuelan relations,
but if I could, when you look at the fundamentals of the
relationship, they don’t seem to support the rhetoric.
We’ve got a $50 billion trade relationship, it’s
a huge energy party for us. It is one of the major through-ways
for drugs leaving the Andes. Historically it’s been
an important counter-terrorism partner, but that’s
not true right now. But the fundamentals are there for a
strong relationship and the interests are there. We just
have to find a way to kind of overcome an instinctive anti-Americanism
that is expressed and also overcome the rhetoric. We’ve
made it very clear to Chavez and to those around him that
we’ll work with them if they want to work with us.
But I think we’re in, as I mentioned earlier, a richer
diplomatic environment and an environment in which the region
has many many choices. While Venezuela offers resources
that are important, especially cheap energy, that for a
meaningful relationship there’s got to be a political
dialogue based on respect and not on inducement.
Moderator: We’re running out of time. Maybe we can
take some questions together.
Question: Thank you. I am Hugo Siles, Ambassador from Bolivia
here to the UN. Thank you very much for this wonderful session.
I think we all agree that we are interested in building
a new world, a peaceful world, without fears. And we also
agree that the only way we can achieve this peaceful world
is through the dialogue, despite the fact that we may not
agree or we may not have the same ideology. And sometimes
we feel that the United States makes some sort of discrimination
between those countries where they have a government that
has the same ideology than the U.S. and the other countries
that they may not have a government that has the same ideology.
I think if we are going to work for a very trustful relationship
between all countries in this America, we need a clear message
from the U.S. government supporting all the democracies
around the world and especially in America. No matter if
we may not agree all our points of view, what we understand
by democracy, what we understand by the needs of the people,
I think perhaps that is what is missing, a clear message
of support to all democracies. Thank you.
Assistant Secretary Shannon: That’s a great point.
I would agree. I would argue that we’ve given it.
I would argue that it hasn’t been received by all
partners. Communication is two-way. But Secretary Rice on
a variety of occasions has made clear that at the end of
the day we don’t much care if governments are left
or right or center. What we care about is that there a fundamental
commitment to democracy and is there an interest in working
with us. And I think we’ve shown in our engagement
kind of across the political spectrum, whether it be with
President Vazquez in Uruguay, President Lula in Brazil,
President Bachelet in Chile, to President Calderon and President
Uribe, that we’re prepared to work across broad spectrums.
We have made clear that we’re prepared to respect
the outcomes of elections and the choices that people make.
President Bush called President Morales to congratulate
him. I went to his inauguration. Secretary Rice met with
President Morales in Santiago at the inauguration of President
Bachelet. Those are very strong signals of partnership and
willingness to work.
The same has been true for all of the elected leaders.
I went to Nicaragua to meet with Daniel Ortega even before
he was inaugurated to underscore our willingness to work
with leaders not only of the left but leaders that have
been historically hostile to us, and with whom we’ve
had historically complicated relationships. So we have tried
to send a clear message. I guess we’ll just have to
keep sending it. But thank you, it’s an important
point.
Question: Andrew Hudson from Human Rights First. Just briefly
on your comments on the Merida Initiative, I was really
pleased to hear you talk about the importance of the Merida
initiative contributing to consolidating democratic institutions.
I was just wondering if there are any accountability or
conditionality mechanisms that you can see within the Merida
Initiative to make sure that those funds are used to consolidate
democratic institutions.
Assistant Secretary Shannon: A lot will depend on our Congress
obviously and its oversight role as it writes the legislation,
the appropriations legislation for Merida. But I would argue
that there are several levels of accountability.
First, since so much of the money we’ll be expending
will go through State Department, through our Bureau of
International Law Enforcement, it is all expended under
letters of agreement, and these letters of agreement have
monitoring mechanisms and other accountability mechanisms
in terms of how equipment is used and how training is used.
That’s important. Number one.
Number two, a lot of our institutional focus is going to
be about building transparency and accountability in police
institutions. In other words, internal auditing capability,
internal kind of inspector general capability. And also
in helping Mexico make this really profound transformation
that it is undertaking in its justice system as it moves
from an inquisitorial to an accusatorial system which is
dramatic, which will make the operation of Mexican courts
more transparent and more open to the public.
But ultimately it’s important to understand that
accountability, that the ultimate arbiter of transparency
and accountability in Mexico will be the Mexican people
themselves and will be Mexican democracy. And we have to
make sure that as we construct our engagement with Mexico
that we aren’t imposing ourselves in an internal process
that rightly belongs to the Mexicans. And by this I’m
not saying there should not be accountability or conditionality
but I am saying that at the end of the day this is a Mexican
struggle and that Mexico is at an important and profound
moment in its democratic development, and that the kind
of congressional interest that has already been shown in
the Merida Initiative, they’ve already held three
hearings in the House and a variety of informal discussions,
and the degree of interest that’s being expressed
by the Mexican Congress has really highlighted the Merida
Initiative and created enormous public interest. So when
training starts, when equipment starts to flow, it will
be transparent in the sense that Mexican institutions, the
Mexican Congress, Mexican press, Mexican NGOs will be tracking
how it’s used, will be tracking its effectiveness
and we’re going to see almost an organic of communication
between the U.S. Congress and the Mexican Congress, between
American NGOs and U.S. NGOs. And I think ultimately this
is going to be for the greater good of Mexican democratization
and it’s going to be for the greater good for how
we engage in our assistance programs because I think we’re
going to see very quickly what works and what doesn’t
work, and where we have problems and where we don’t.
Moderator: I want to thank you, Tom, for really just an
outstanding presentation. The fact that we probably have
another five or seven questions in the audience only means
that we’ll have to continue the dialogue before the
administration ends in January of 2009.
I want to thank you again for your frank and open conversation.
I want to thank all of you for coming, and I apologize that
we went over time a little bit, but it was so interesting
that we wanted to get as many questions in as possible.
So let’s give Tom a great round of applause.
[Applause.]
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